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WHAT DID I WRONG ?

Posted: 3/15/06 9:15pmMessage 21 of 184
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Joel , i hoped a second you had the answer :


Plug wires not correct(firing order-1-8-4-2-3-6-5-7..clockwise rotation) but all my books ( racing engine preparation, service manual,car manual ) say : 1-8-4-3-6-5-7-2


also the numbers on the Weiand inlet manifold ............................ WHO's RIGHT ????
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Otay...so I had a brain-fart.
Yes, the power valve will be damaged if there is a backfire thru the carb. The power valve allows more fuel into the system under load. It can be ruptured, and idle fine, but sputter some under acceleration.
And Big-blocks use the same firing order.
The ign. rotor should be pointed at the #1 plug(on the cap) when the #1 cylinder is at TDC, on the compression stroke. It is possible that the dist. is off a tooth, when you put it back in. The rotor will twist as you take the dist. out, and the oil-pump drive rod will twist with it. If you don't turn the pump drive rod back a bit before re-installing the dist., it will not go back in the right place on the cam. Might double-check that.

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Posted: 3/15/06 9:18pmMessage 22 of 184
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I'm not a big Holley fan, and yes they do have a problem with that power valve. One backfire is all it takes I've heard. Supposedly there is a piece that can be added to protect the valve under such conditions. I'm afraid I can't be much help here, but maybe someone else might know the symptoms and cure.
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Posted: 3/16/06 1:08amMessage 23 of 184
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Thanx. Joel , what i wanted to suppose is this : imagine there is no vacuum connection  and no rev cable on the distributor , than you can install him either way as long as ofcoarse #1 cilinder gets his ingnition on the right time. From that point the distributor rev's 1/2 the numbers as the cranckshaft so every cilinder gets his one on time. No?

So putting the distributor shaft a tooth wrong will give a different setting  of the distributor housing.And there you cannot give a lot because of that rev cable .

Either way it is installed , if you have BTCD with timing light on #1 , it's right , i suppose ???

It's ofcoarse better to mark shaft and housing to replace it in the same position because if to far of , you cannot even start the engine , so no use of timing light to begin with.

Is this right Joel ??

Ok , i see for those power valves...Hope this is the one !

 

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Posted: 3/16/06 5:55amMessage 24 of 184
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So putting the distributor shaft a tooth wrong will give a different setting of the distributor housing.And there you cannot give a lot because of that rev cable .

Well, no. You can install the housing in the correct location, and still have the rotor/shaft off. The rotor could be pointing anywhere, and the housing itself in the right postion. The two items need to be positioned correctly for all to be well there.

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Posted: 3/16/06 6:55amMessage 25 of 184
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Barry, I must admit that I admire your tenacity. I would have had that puppy in the shop the minute I had a problem. But then again, anything more than changing the plugs or detailing my toy is way beyond my capability.  Good Luck
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Posted: 3/16/06 10:53amMessage 26 of 184
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Barry, if anyone can help you it's Joel. It does sound like your carb is failing you. Hey I really like the color of your car. What color is it and can I get it here in the states.
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Posted: 3/16/06 3:18pmMessage 27 of 184
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hey Andy,

the color i'm not sure about it. It was original a Cortez Silver (1970) but off frame restored  in '99  and repainted  , machting color ???  i don't know , bought the car in this shape and didn't get history.
I let it tax official for a "total value  insurance " and the agent told me he never had seen a fiberglass body in such a straight way and perfect painting.Ok for me , ofcoarse ! nice job was done ! only pitty it's in my hands.... i drive it ! as longs it's running....
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Posted: 3/17/06 3:17pmMessage 28 of 184
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Can't remember if anyone mentioned it but check for cracked distributor cap

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Posted: 3/17/06 4:21pmMessage 29 of 184
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Not only the cap.  It could be anywhere in the ignition system.  The coil, coil wire, cap, rotor.

Under increased load and rpm it requires greater KV at the plugs.  This stresses the secondary electrical system.  At that point it could be jumping to a ground instead of firing the plugs.  Look for traces of carbon arcing at the coil tower, cap both inside and out side, on the rotor, etc.

Try mixing up some salt water.  Easier if you heat the water to mix the salt.  Put it in a spray bottle, and spray the ignition system and let it soak a bit.  Then fire the car up and check for arcing.  Salt water is more conductive that regular water.

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Posted: 3/18/06 11:26pmMessage 30 of 184
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YEEEHAAA ! find yesterday in my Holley a BROKEN power valve YEEHAA!

Was already much not getting that timing right .... so all my trials with that timing stuff and returning to original must have been useless as that litlle thing was broken . So i must have had a backfire ... Probably due tho that adjustable vacuum kit... it comes out of the box with explanation for installing and adjusting but never mentioned how many degrees it gives in function of carb vacuum.
Should have a distributor machine to fix that up.

Already cleaned all gasket surfaces and went to speedshop for that valve ( nr 65) and new gaskets.Hope i have time to install all this in the afternoon. I let you know how my baby is running....!

PS. the SRT10 is running wild 100 mph is quiet cruising and above 120 you get notion of speed... WHOWWWW

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